Yawspeed issues again ....

Jabra

Null yawspeeds. So people hate autostrafing, okay, if you ask me autostrafing is useless, but useful with several yawspeeds that can be customized ...

But autostrafing can be replaced with something that is nearly just as good. Null yawspeeds!
An alias script can be made such that yawspeed can be locked until moveright/moveleft is pressed.

This is useful in surf__royal ish spins for example.

Along with prestrafe yawspeed, this is another thing that you have to deal with in keyboard options, so inside strats are destroyed!!!

Aart

You don't just use a yawbind.

You incrementaly speed up your turnspeed within a turn, to lose the least amount of velocity. Your yawspeed is just a base.

people use their mouse.

Jabra

Hmmmm, you don't necessarily do that ... only to align yourself with the track. Certainly not if you want the ideal strafe sync. There is no reason to care about the acceleration of the turn rate ... for example you should not accelerate your turn rate up for each zigzag when you zigzag strafe (I mean the strafe you do for a longjump).

Yeah ... if the turn is long, then you have to DEaccelerate the turn rate to match the increased speed.

I can by the way tell that I wouldn't have done Authentic Waave Walk without binding the ideal yawspeed for 10a that was something around cl_yawspeed 295. It stood in my description once, but I deleted it later because there is too much context.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBBoKiaE1Hs

In order to do this trick I used strafe keys as well.
But surely I could have done it with null yawspeeds as well as a second option.

But people have talked about that they don't like that players can use strafe keys and replace mouse.
Well, players can strafe with 4 keys just as good with null yawspeeds! Null yawspeeds together with the ability to cycle through several yawspeeds can destroy these "strafe bhop maps" ... For example that map where you bhop a red carpet and zigzag strafe. Because the yawspeed can be updated for each zigzag ...

With null yawspeeds the issue of moving the mouse before pressing the key can be destroyed in fast-paced zigzag strafing ...

I'm scared people don't understand the scale of these issues with yawspeeds ...

It's a complex topic ...

And you guys talk about what KSF allows. KSF allows strafe keys as well. Intentionally? Probably not. It's allowed because

this yawspeed mess IS AN ANARCHY!!!

IT'S AN ANARCHY!!!

Fuck all surf communities out there. NO ONE has dealt with this anarchy!!! Momentum Mod will become the first one to deal with this anarchy. I hope so ... Or I will fucking show you how to do sick tricks with strafe keys ...

The ability to cycle between several yawspeeds took advantage of this anarchy. And therefore I also took advantage of the anarchy to do my Authentic Waave Walk.

Anyone who dismiss my AUthentic Waave Walk due to strafe keys, I hope the same people dismiss the ability to cycle between several yawspeeds! Strafe keys can not make you a specialist ....

Man it's a tough subject ..................... But I know my stance.

Strafe keys, null yawspeeds, yawspeed prestrafe bind ... IDC, because they don't enable specialization ... no they cause AUTOMATIZATION. THEY CAN SIMPLY THE GAME. THe ability to cycle between yawspeeds enables specialization. That is the only thing I'm against.

Jabra

The use of null yawspeeds gets so obvious on nightmare bonuses, deity etc.
This has to be put in keyboard options so inside stratters are destroyed.
I will actually now try deity with null yawspeeds

fingerprince

Jabra I've had to warn before about you constantly bumping your own posts. It spams our discord bot and turns these threads into train-of-thought ramblings that are a nightmare for anyone to decipher. Plus, you're now doing across two different threads on very similar topics.

I've spent about 10 minutes going back and forth between the two threads trying to understand what points you're trying to make, and whilst I think I've just about deciphered it, the overall incoherence of your posts is making formulating a coherent response a massive chore.

If you want anyone to actually listen to any proposals you're making, make a clear case for what you're advocating being changed and why, and do it in a single post in one thread, without a million edits afterwards. If you need to draft the post a couple of times first, then do that. Otherwise, I'm doubtful any of what your saying is likely to have any effect on the game.

And lastly, the thing about bumping posts is serious, if you keep double-posting where you could clearly have just edited your last post, I'm going to delete it.

Jabra

https://youtu.be/9cnJGPWV_NY?t=72 Look. In order to do that Caff press +left->+right->+left very rapidly.
This is extremely hard to do properly without null yawspeeds. Null yawspeeds can be exploited on techy maps with sudden turns.

Null yawspeed will do so yawspeed is locked until the appropriate moveleft/moveright key is hit. Either you put that in keyboard options, or they will do that behind our backs!

I do actually have experience with the issue of syncing yawspeed key and moveleft/moveright key. So I have learned to sequence it, so that I hit moveleft/moveright before yawspeed. I started doing that after I did this trick

https://imgur.com/a/Jbwrgii

Because I figured out that I lost speed when I entered the first ring because I had a tendency to hit spacebar key (where my +left is) before moveleft when I tried to hit them simultaneously. So I never try to hit yawspeed keys and moveleft/moveright simultaneously any longer.

But following these sequences can heavily shrink your performance at obstacles like surf_deity_ksf last stage.

Jabra

Sorry for double posting, but I have a last wish for the Momentum Team and a warning against making all records unqualified!

Right now, the rules/community standards that govern the limits of movement assisting features are anarchy.
This can threaten the integrity of all world records why I'm extremely concerned and want to warn you (more about that at the end of my post)!

You can't draw experience from KSF or any other surf community by looking at what is allowed there.
Much of what is allowed on KSF and other surf communities is not intentional.
In the same way that every human act is allowed in anarchy, but not intentionally.

You Momentum Team have to analyze movement assisting features in all their colors and aspects and then make a very well-defined set of rules.
It's anarchy, and you shall be ready to reinvent the wheel! You shall be ready to reinvent the wheel!
You shall not find it necessary to discuss this too much with outsiders
because it's an anarchy where you can't draw from experiences. And it takes a too long time. Nor can outsiders even deal with it because we don't know your anti-cheat systems that have to fit into these rules as well.

So the reason why the integrity of all world records are threatened is because

IF players have been allowed to set records under no rules or less rules (more freedom),
all records will be considered such that they have been exploitable at that point in time a new limiting rule has been implemented!

If shoes with suspension suddenly are disallowed in 100m running, then Usain Bolt gets an unfair advantage compared to those who have to run 100m without suspension.

Thus records will become unqualified and maps must be reset dozen times IF we use a method where the set of rules is updated along the way/gradually after release.

But all records will anyway be reset at public 1.0 release, so you can ofc. gradually update this set of rules until public release, but after the public release, these rules must have been settled! Else the integrity of all post public release records is strongly endangered!

Therefore it is urgent! I urge you to DEEPLY ANALYZE all possible and THINKABLE (THINK .. THINK .. THINK!) movement assisting features!